Humanizing Technology: Agathe Daae Qvale on Weaving Love in the IT World

Agathe Daae Qvale is a wise guide in the tech world and a compassionate coach, whose purpose is to weave Heart Intelligence within the tech management world.

 In our conversation,  Agathe shares wisdom from her book "Digitized Product Management," Illuminating a path for leaders to navigate technological innovation and change, blending feminine qualities such as intuition, imagination, and empathy into the structured landscape of IT.

Agathe and I share examples of impactful outcomes through simple rituals that honor our shared humanity within the workplace. Together, we discuss the ethical dilemmas surrounding artificial intelligence and the need to utilize such tools responsibly. This means nurturing empathy, compassion, and interconnectedness to bridge the gap between our interior human maturity and the actual power technological progress grants us.

From Agathe's website: "My mission is to provide a purposeful point of view on what is happening all around us today in the space of digitalization through innovation. The ground rules of innovation are constant principles, still applicable when artificial intelligence and Agile approaches seemingly disrupt the rules of the game. My passion is to explore the dilemmas of digitized product management. I want my readers to better own their digital journey, not merely reacting to the evolution of technology.”

Read Agathe's full bio here.

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Transcript

Claire Molinard: 0:00

Welcome to the Woman Rise podcast, a podcast where we celebrate and encourage the rising of feminine intelligence and leadership. I'm your host, claire Monignac, and I live and work on the island of Corsica. I'm a mother, a healer, a lover of nature and an entrepreneur. I spent my entire adult life practicing and studying spiritual, psychotherapeutic and coaching approaches to human growth and transformation. I teach coaching, facility developmental programs for conscious woman change makers, helping them feel resourced and inspired so they can lead from within. Every month, I have the pleasure of chatting with incredible women who are creating positive and sustainable change in their fields through embodying feminine qualities such as empathy, compassion, inclusiveness, devotion, beauty and so many more qualities of the feminine. Whether they're running NGOs or charities, writing books, coaching, healing or teaching, these women have in common that they embody the feminine principles that I believe are essential for creating a world today that works for everyone. On Woman Rise, I give them the floor to share their stories, their wisdom and their unique superpowers. My hope is that you, regardless of how you identify on the gender spectrum, will be inspired to tap into your inherent feminine qualities as they show uniquely in you, as you and through you, so that you may be more equipped to impact sustainable and positive change in your own circle of care and concern. Are you ready? Let's go.

Claire Molinard: 2:01

I'm super excited to welcome Agate Doquale, a collegiate integral coach and also a seasoned tech advisor who focuses on both the human and the tech sides of digital transformation. Agate is the newly published author of the book Digitized Product Management, where she offers guidance and a clear methodology for leaders, product managers and consultants so they can navigate professionally through the expanding landscape of digital transformation. And Agate and I have met. Over a decade ago we both went through that integral coach training in Canada and at the time when I met you, agate, you were in training and it's wonderful to witness your evolution and how you've brought this lens of change and transformation, which is quite profound, into the world of technology advancement, and I'm super excited to learn from you and to explore how you brought these two words together. So welcome to Women Rise Podcast, agate.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 3:15

Thank you, claire, and thank you so much. It's a very beautiful summary you make, and it's also wonderful to think about more than 10 years that we know each other and to see how we evolve and unfold and develop from one point to the other. So thank you.

Claire Molinard: 3:32

My pleasure, yeah. So, agate, as you know, women Rise is a platform that shines a light on women who bring their feminine intelligence and service of transformation in their professional environment. And when I heard about your book and what you're about, I really felt that impulse to invite you, because it really feels that your expression in your professional world really comes from that kind of intelligence. So let me clarify what I mean by feminine intelligence. Feminine intelligence it's really about feminine qualities that both genders can have, qualities such as empathy, compassion, intuition, community building, collaboration, nurturing inclusiveness. These are soft qualities and, again, these are qualities that are beyond genders. But when I think of you trying to bring out the human side of technology and knowing you, I just felt that this was a beautiful expression of what I'm trying to shine a light on. So, yeah, what do you have to say about this? And let's start here.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 4:49

Well, I'm so happy you see it that way, because that is really what I'm trying to do to bridge that technical world of black and white and probably quite hard and static methodologies with a software approach that is more holistic and more as a more human perspective.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 5:10

That may be perceived as feminine, yes, but to me that is a natural way and a natural toolbox and process towards engaging in real change.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 5:22

That is, a deeper kind of change than only the black and white out of the box functionality of the tech world alone. So I'm really appreciate that you see it that way as well and that you formulate it the way you do, because it's not really anymore about women and men. It's about how we embrace a much wider perspective towards change and evolution in the field of technology as well as in the human perspective. So that is really what I try to embrace with my book that is now out, the Digitalized Product Management. But it's also a way of working that I've been trying to develop and evolve for myself over the last decade that whenever I've worked with technology and innovation and product development and service development, that it takes a lot more than a click right to the box functionality to succeed. And I find that the tech world is catching up a bit on, particularly on the part of communication, but still it's so much out there and so much more that can be applied and utilized to grow lasting change and the change that we want to see.

Claire Molinard: 6:44

Right, and as I'm hearing you speaking, I have all so many questions that pop up in my mind, but one of them is what happened in your life at a point that prompted you to focus on that? What was the gap that you identified such that you realized you had to focus on the human side of change within tech pollution?

Agathe Daae Qvale: 7:10

Oh, that's a good question.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 7:11

I think what comes to mind is that I was working in IT A lot of it was product development and change projects for about 13 years, and I was also in the consulting field, and then I met a integral master coach and I was coached with this methodology that is embracing so much more than just the tech field. It's very much about the human change perspective. I won't take the task of me to explain in detail what it is, but let's say it's a human perspective that was so vast and rich and interesting and that I was discovering at the time, and I still discovering, and I understood then that what I was doing at work implementing new platforms and changing the way people worked with technology that was really much more about the human change perspective than what it was about the technology. The technology is interesting and it's fun and it's black and white and you can make so many things with technology today, but if you don't look after the human perspective of change very well, the technology cannot stand alone. It's going to fold, it's not going to work.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 8:32

So I just realized, oh, I've been working with tech for all these years and then suddenly I realized that, oh, what I'm doing is actually about people. I will not succeed unless I manage to embrace and engage in the human way and apply the soft approach and the human perspective in change. So it was like an aha moment, probably soon 15 years ago, and since then I've been actually trying to not only study but to embody and embrace the human change perspective and to me every day is a challenge and, in a positive sense, a day when I try to apply myself and including the human perspective and the soft side to succeed in the IT world that I spend a lot of time in, and in the beginning it was very challenging. I would find it difficult to. I would feel I would be scared of letting go of structure, for instance, if I was involving human change methodologies in my work.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 9:36

But again, it's all about practice. So, with the years I'm far from perfect, of course, but it's always an exploration to try to see how many human perspectives can I take in? What is suitable? How can I apply this today? How can I apply this with this company, with this product? It just keeps evolving and I do think that many of the people I work with may not even know that I apply soft skills or human change in the way I work. But somehow, just because I don't know the frameworks, I don't know the practices, but they do realize that hey, something is working here. They can't always put the finger on it, but they notice that oh, it's working. And that also gives me wind to continue exploring that human change perspective when I work in the tech world.

Claire Molinard: 10:31

That's fascinating, agat, but there are so many things I want to say about this. One of them as you're speaking, I'm thinking about the huge gap that is between our capacity to create and innovate new technologies exterior technologies and our interior capacity to be responsible with our innovation. So I'm just feeling into that gap between what we're able to grasp interiorly in our consciousness. We don't have an internal power equal to our exterior power. In a previous conversation we were raised how that affects the threat with artificial intelligence and the social media and all of that. So that's one thing. It relaxes me to know that there are people like you that are trying to bridge that gap in any way that they are fit to. And another more practical thought I was having while you were talking is can you give me an example of how you bring the human into your daily work? What would that look like?

Agathe Daae Qvale: 11:50

Well, it's a given example. Thank you for that. I give an example like when, for instance when I have meetings. We learn in the tech world that of course you have an agenda for meetings and you need to have deliverables and you need to communicate clearly what this is about. But in a meeting, to make a meeting efficient in a busy schedule where people gather, it can be very useful to, for instance, start the meeting with just recognizing where each person comes from at the moment. If it's a right size group, it doesn't have to take an awful lot of time. It's about just recognizing the place and the mood and the situation that you should send, that you have some kind of grounding and you have the great shared floor before the work starts, which actually is really worthwhile, because then you also become much more focused and you may have a shared idea about what you want to achieve in the meeting. So that's an example.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 12:52

Yeah, it's very simple and basic, but it's. I just see so many people raising into meetings and raising out of meetings and their meetings all day long and we're also busy, but what do we actually achieve at the end of the day? To have that human perspective of okay, do we have a shared understanding? And to check in on that and to take the time to formulate it before we start, then we have a shared starting point, a shared sense of container that we all come working, Nobody's excluded. It's so basic and it's so important.

Claire Molinard: 13:26

And that's a great example of how feminine intelligence works. As you said, you're actually creating a shared field of value that is going to be carried on in whatever technology is being invented or created or used. It's so important and it has been considered a loss of time still to do that, when it's actually a huge gain of time because you're bringing people together. You're creating an interior field. Right Like this is an interior technology. What you just described, Just like meditation, is an interior technology to create community. I'm curious before we continue did you have any thoughts about the gap between our interior technologies and exterior technologies?

Agathe Daae Qvale: 14:14

Oh yeah, this is so interesting because I can say so much about it. It's, first of all, I'm discovering that on a personal level that the difference between internal and external technologies and methods are, for me, becoming more and more of an illusion. I'll give an example, maybe a bit dystopic, but we think about our smartphones as exterior technology. It's like, well, everyone has a smartphone and many of us are on it much of the time, and if we're not on it, then we have it next to us or not so far away from us.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 14:53

So I think about smartphones as a very integrated part of us, and that is not a chip under a skin or integrated part of our bodies, not so important, because who's more than a few feet away from their smartphones during the day or night?

Agathe Daae Qvale: 15:10

So we have this illusion that it's not part of us, because it's a bodily experience that it's external. But really it wouldn't make such a big difference if it was internal. But we have this idea that, no, no, as long as it's external, I decide how to use it, I decide how to live with it, I choose what to browse and not to browse. But really there are so many technologies out there that manipulate us and coaches into doing the things that our society wants us to do. So to set a hard line between the internal and the external methodologies. It's not working anymore in my mind, and it's also becoming an interesting field of exploration because, just like the social media is becoming one big creature in this world which we kind of in the dark sense, perhaps even quoting some kind of matrix because of it, it also gives us powers and possibilities to leverage ourselves in wonderful ways.

Claire Molinard: 16:14

If we are more aware and conscious internally. That's the beauty and the threat of this kind of technologies they become what you put into them. So artificial intelligence is only artificial. Intelligence will behave according to the values that you instill into them, and so we don't have a worldwide regulation of what we put into AI. It is in the making, but meanwhile, who decides? And what are the values of the people that instill the input on AI? And because these are going to be the influencers of our children, they're going to be the influencers of our destiny, and that's huge yeah so many questions, I don't know if I have a really good answer.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 17:05

But I think first of all it's up to each one of us to apply our own ethics and morals to how we apply technology. We see in the world history that every major step of technological innovation from the use of fire to the wheel to electricity In the beginning it's been hard to get used to it because, like I say, it's not regulated, and I picture that a bit more than 100 years ago for many people it was scary and confronting. Even to put on the light switch when you're not used to electricity, you would be scared of it. You would be like what's this? I see it works, but how can I apply it in a good way? We take it for granted. We put on lamps and light bulbs, but maybe it wasn't so intuitive when it first came. And now we have all kinds of standards and regulations and it's all a natural, integrated part of our lives that we take for granted until we don't have it. And I think that's the same with artificial intelligence. It's such a powerful tool, but that is what it is. It is a powerful tool, it's a powerful innovation and we can choose to apply it for good or not. And I think it's first of all our individual responsibilities to be cautious and careful about how we apply it and also our culture and society that also needs to come to a point of a shared agreement of how this is going to be applied, so we can see the laws emerging that were regulated. That is my take on it.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 18:45

So I think it is a natural cycle of evolving technologies that is happening, that at first it's rapid steps and exploration and then we try it out, and then we perhaps fail a bit and it's a bit clumsy and scary and different and new and exciting, and all this. And then we learn to master it and apply it, and then we can do so in a shared way in society and then it becomes normal and then at the time, it's going to be the next big step that we don't know yet of something else that's coming up. That's a new technology that is new to us and that we have to get used to and get to know and explore. And that's how human history and the global history is all together. It's about new experiences and getting to know them and mastering them and then apply them and move on to the next. That's how we are as human beings.

Claire Molinard: 19:43

Yeah, definitely, definitely. And there is an exponentiality of our technologies today that are putting the stakes higher in terms of existential risk, for example. So my sense is that those qualities that we're shining a light on is just a necessity more than ever right now. Would you agree that you, in some ways, you're bringing love in the midst of that dry, technical world in which you're evolving? You're trying to basically bring more love? Let's call it by its name.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 20:29

Oh, yes, I try that every day. It's not easy. I can't say I always manage it. Sometimes I fail, but it's really something I hope I never stop trying, because I think you're right about calling it love. I often refer to it as humanity or human perspective, but that is really like, as I call it by its name, that is what it is.

Claire Molinard: 20:52

Exactly and when we I'm sure that you agree with me. We're not talking about a love in a kind of a soapy, sentimental hallmark card kind of way. We're talking about that appreciation of the other, the joy in the heart when you're connecting with someone genuinely, when you feel that you're doing good because it feels good between you and someone else and you know why you're here. Because of that, you know, whatever you do in the world, this is what we're looking for. That kind of connection, like we're having just a nice conversation right now and there's genuine appreciation of the other for who they are.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 21:33

Yeah, it's so true, and it's so true and it's we have a choice to take that stance and to do it that way, and when we can bring that perspective into what we do, if it's technology, other things, and we're really onto something so fundamental and important to us as it's existential. So it's very much with you on that and it also makes me think of growth. I remember it was Terry Fallon who works a lot with human developmental stages and I remember to explain human growth as something that is not necessarily linear, which is where the tech world is and its perception of itself, that you have the key performance indicators and you have a assay description, then you figure out how to plan your change and develop it and then you come to a new state, which is a linear approach. While Terry, she's speaking about human growth more like a balloon. It's becoming more of what is and I think the human perspective and often I'll speak about as love is something that we take with us into every perspective and growth and we treat it more like the balloon. It's about becoming wider and more and solidifying something that is really important to us in our existence.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 23:10

It doesn't mean that we're not working in a linear way. But unless we look after that human side, it's not going to be very sustainable or durable. The change we make, it's becoming like something else stills, it's not very balanced. You need that fundament, you need that balloon, you need that sense of shared understanding of what we're doing and the purpose of it. If you do something without purpose, then it falls flat. The long run is not. It needs to have a reason, it needs to have a fundament. And by placing that fundament in the humanity and the human change perspective and in love, I think that is what makes change lasting.

Claire Molinard: 23:53

Yeah, it makes it meaningful and therefore pleasurable. These two are linked as well. Yes, Through I mean, of course you can have pleasure. That doesn't have any meaning, but it's not going to be very sustainable either.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 24:10

Exactly, yeah, I think it also makes sense to make it clear that it's not only about how we work and how we behave. When I deal with product management or developing new services is about also how the final product is influenced by, meaning that it has a solid leg to stand on in the human perspective. So it's both how we go about the products, what we do in our lives, but also that we see the result of what we do, also engulfing that feeling of pressure and that certain kind of contentment perhaps, or love. Yes, that makes it worthwhile.

Claire Molinard: 24:59

I'm curious, Agatha, in your working environment, what are the kind of challenges of any that you bumped into in your world and how did you navigate that?

Agathe Daae Qvale: 25:13

It's changing and it's changing fast. It's being perceived in a better way, continuously, it's. I'll give you an example of 15 years ago. I had a colleague who it's a bit nasty to say it perhaps, but he was lecturing me on HR not being proper field of science because it was nothing an HR he could measure. And I didn't say anything at the time but I thought, well, he's probably saying this because he doesn't know HR, so he doesn't know what to measure, and with the perspective that if you don't know it first hand yourself, it doesn't exist. That was his statement. So, and I think we come a long way from there really, and one thing is to practice a skill set of including the human perspective in as many things as what I do as possible. That I'm probably getting better at it as well. But I think also the acceptance in many fields is widening fast when people realize that it's not only more pleasant to work that way but it also creates better results.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 26:25

And again I'm back to the balloon and the linear growth, because as an integral coach, I focus not always, but often I focus very much on solidifying the place of the stage that we're in. So it's about horizontal growth, it's about making something solid in yourself or in the product organization before you move on to the next, more ambitious step. You need that solid ground that is not static. You develop it all through your life. You develop a new floor, then you reach for something new, then you reach something new and then you develop the solidity in where you are and in the tech world. And that's a balloon. And you need to take those steps to flesh out and to become broader and more solid before you move on to the next one. And very much of this is about the human and soft side of things. You may call it communication or anchoring or whatever, but it really is about consolidation. It's solidifying the stage we're in and then move on to the next.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 27:35

So it's not either. Or it is very much a growth, a conscious growth that is going sideways as well as going upwards, and many people still focus tremendously much on upwards because that's what we see in the sports world. It's what we see in athletics and competitive fields of work and technology. But when sportsmen make a new world record in athletics, there's not so much focus on the rest time they need that makes the practice time, it's not so much focus on the person, of development they have to do and the psychological work they need to put into to have a mind that follows the path of growth that the body has. So it is happening, but it's definitely there. So by acknowledging it and communicating it to in our environments, it also create the understanding of the necessity of it. But you can't skip it. You can't just decide you're going to be an Olympic athlete one day and then you practice 24, seven for a week and you're there. It's not how it works.

Claire Molinard: 28:45

I'm exaggerating tremendously now, of course, but Such a big point that's such a big point, and so how does that translate in the tech world, for example, not necessarily rest, but the need to focus outside of productivity, for example. I mean there is a productivity in task management, as it needs to happen. How do you also bring the other side?

Agathe Daae Qvale: 29:11

I think one that is becoming more understood than more mainstream is cultural building. That you have, for instance, in startups, time to market for a new product is very, very important. It's like you have a plane, you have a runway, you have a given amount of fuel and weight and time and length of the runway and you just have to. It's a hard closure, you can't negotiate it. You have to make it until the end of the runway Because if you don't, you crash. And in the middle of that kind of pressure, if a startup doesn't build consciously a culture in the company, you may end up in a situation where you don't have a shared understanding of which direction you're going to take, which means that you will not get the speed and the momentum that you need to succeed. So it's always important to see that in different situations, different approaches and focuses is required. But without building culture it's not going to fly, or it may fly for three months and you have people quitting because they don't like to be there.

Claire Molinard: 30:25

So it's all about connection, creating those bonds yes, people that are about love.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 30:35

Yeah, it is. It may seem like it's easy to put it in the less important box, but you can't, you really can't. It's there. Every day, as we get out of bed, it's there.

Claire Molinard: 30:49

That's where you bring pleasure and meaning for people. Yeah, there's no pleasure and no meaning, it's not going to last for very long. No, it's Money can have meaning for some time, but if there is no pleasure and no love, how long can that continue?

Agathe Daae Qvale: 31:10

Yeah, then it's. At some point it's probably going to fold. Also, if you manage to include that perspective, the soft front, the loving one, you're just going to grow so much bigger and you're going to get so much. I wouldn't say for free, because that's not the right word, but in many situations some people use a whip and others use a carrot, and you have to be wise about how you use it. Sometimes you need to engulf and then compass both, but be aware that if you use that loving side, that it goes further and higher than anything.

Claire Molinard: 31:50

It's a good example of how empathy and collaboration can really impact.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 31:58

Yes, I think many people have different reasons why they get up to go to work in the morning. Right now I work in healthcare, which has a very strong human side to it, and also notice that the culture in healthcare technology also has a certain roundedness that I may not always see in production industries of other kinds. But if you ask people for the reason why they do what they do, they can be very individual and very unique for each person. But if you bring that purpose to people and you find a shared purpose in what they do, then things start moving so much faster and better and smoother and you get to a shared understanding of achievement and that is worth so much.

Claire Molinard: 32:50

I love to dream, I get, and, as you're speaking and thinking, how can we achieve that for humanity? And then it would be amazing if we had a shared purpose, right? If we had a shared vision of you know, a shared vision of love, pleasure and meaning.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 33:09

Oh, that's such a good question I'd love to answer. I think it's hard enough to know on an individual level how do I find my place? How can I have a purpose in this big picture? So I think if we can work with each in our place, where we are, what we have, in the best possible way, I think that's a really a long way already and from there something may crystallize and emerge that may have a shared purpose.

Claire Molinard: 33:41

In the meantime, as we were just saying earlier, there are some feelings that we share as human beings that feel good, that we can trust, that can guide us, and it's my sense that bridging this very basic human qualities into the world of tech, in consciously nurturing our intentions to come from the heart, to create connection that feel good inside, it is one of the ways that we can address the existential crisis that we have today. It's my sense and it's part of what we call feminine intelligence, because it's about sensing in, tweeting, clarifying, and then we need to be clear that it's not necessarily easy. The kind of pleasure that I'm talking about is not my pleasure. It's never about me alone. It's in connection, exactly.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 34:47

And it's beautiful how you bring that up and I sincerely believe that the emotions we have, all of them are informing us about something greater.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 34:59

I mean, our emotions are unique and fantastic in the sense that if we choose to listen to them, they will inform us in the most basic ways and in the most complex ways.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 35:10

And again moving into the tech world of ITM, where I have my daily life, it's unfortunately quite common to push aside feelings because they're in the way, or we don't want to be complicated or for whatever reasons. It doesn't suit our time schedule to get sad or happy or whatever. So we just do what we think we need to do and get on with it. But really, if we take the time to feel into the emotions that emerge, they will inform us about something immediate and important and that is where the heart can inform our brains on how to be and perhaps tell us that maybe we're not aligned with the purpose we may be if we make a change or it's. You know, I'm not saying that everyone should feel into the jobs and go quit them, but we always have space in us to make changes to our situations and to have our emotions inform us about what changes we need to take. It's such a wealth of information and source energy from what we are essentially.

Claire Molinard: 36:27

Yes, and so bringing the whole being into technology. So the whole being meaning not just the human thinking with its great creative and innovative intelligence, which we need for sure, but also putting the heart in service of that, and even the body, in terms of the intuition, the sensing capacity of the body. Bringing that whole human being into our future technology makes me feel a little safer in the world, to be honest.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 37:09

I'm glad I think you're spot on. That is exactly what it takes to be safer in the world and also when we go around this. Super powerful technologies like deep learning and artificial intelligence and all these buzzwords that become overwhelming sometimes in our environment and encompass that's exactly that our bodies, our emotions and feeling into what is internally.

Claire Molinard: 37:39

Yeah, so I'm glad that you can be a friend in envisioning a future world in which human beings can bring their whole self into how they imagine and create new technological tools that are for the good of humanity. And, yeah, I like to hold that vision.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 38:09

Thank you, claire, and thank you for putting what I do into this slide. You're exploring a richness that is important to take with us in the world today, so thank you.

Claire Molinard: 38:22

Thank you for being in that conversation now and you're giving your life to it, so really appreciate you and what you do. Is there anything that we didn't touch on about your book? I can?

Agathe Daae Qvale: 38:37

talk a bit about what I tried to do in the book, because there are so many books out there and the book came to be during COVID, because I suddenly found a time on my hands and I was not really sure where I was heading after so many years working, working, working and I started writing, first for myself. I'm being an integral coach and an idea advisor, with two very different camps that I started out from, and I tried to bridge the two and at some point I realized that what I was writing was actually the one book that I wished every one of my consulting clients I've read before we started working, simply because I believe that you can't have one without the other. You need the soft side and the structured or hard side I don't know I should call it hard but the linear perspective as well as the soft. They're complementary and they enrich each other. So part of it is about human change and innovation and what it takes to innovate, the human platform for that.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 39:52

And then it's very much also a checklist of the kind that I don't find out in the technical frameworks, but probably the human perspectives and areas that we need to pay attention to succeed with technology. So I'm trying to encompass both and it's really a subjective take on what I've experienced and what I've learned and that I put out there as a point of view. It's not absolute truth. It's more an encouragement for the readers to think and reflect and find out what works for them in this world of technology is disrupting our lives, because that's really what's happening. It's almost every field. It's disrupting the way we work and the way things used to be. It just that's what matters for many. So it's an enormous shift happening and for a human being it's impossible to have the head about water all the time and to understand it all. It's really a practice in how to navigate it in the best possible way.

Claire Molinard: 41:05

So you're actually trying to ease the disruption and make it manageable and navigable.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 41:13

Yeah, that's what I try, and there may be others out there who do it far better than I, but I really think my main message is to encourage people to reflect and inform themselves, trying to sort it out, trying to look at what matters, trying to navigate the world as it's changing, and doing it without fear and doing it with insights and observations personal observations.

Claire Molinard: 41:41

Right and that's so valuable, as we know being an actor and a witness and not a victim, not enduring, but actually doing it from a place of consciousness. And in terms of technology, we don't have a choice. It's going to go on whether we are common train or not.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 42:01

Exactly, and that is what's so important not to slip into some kind of oblivious situation, but to take that ownership and to navigate, at least on a personal level, and be aware of, to the extent that it's possible, what is it, how does it affect me and what kind of choices do I need to take. And that's to empower ourselves in that shift is the best thing we can do.

Claire Molinard: 42:31

Thank you so much for accepting to share your wisdom here on Woman Rise, to share your experience with tech and your intuition that human connection, love, are key to creating a conscious tech that serves humanity. I so appreciate the being that you are. It's been a huge pleasure to have you on this podcast.

Agathe Daae Qvale: 43:00

Yeah, thank you for having me. It's been such a delight and I enjoy to connect with you and explore this, this area of everything moving between the human side of purpose and love and the tech world that claims more for attention. It's been a delight.

Claire Molinard: 43:19

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